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Mothers, Acting As 'Agents,' To Defy FDA Warning | Raw Milk Freedom Riders

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Chicago, IL—On December 8, a group of mothers and others will defy the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) ban on “distributing” fresh milk across state lines by transporting 100 gallons of raw milk from Wisconsin to Chicago’s Independence Park and distributing it to customers waiting at the park. Rally time is 11:30am – 2:00pm.

Federal law 21 CFR § 1240.61 prohibits interstate movement and distribution of raw milk for human consumption. The FDA regulation applies to individuals, or “agents” acting on their behalf.

Over the past year, the FDA and state authorities have conducted undercover sting operations on, raided and prosecuted farmers, buying clubs, and individuals who help distribute raw milk and other farm fresh foods. Over a dozen people and businesses currently face charges, orders, and other enforcement actions; some are under “federal criminal investigation” and face possible indictment by a grand jury. Several small cheese producing dairies with no history of making anyone sick have been put out of business by the FDA’s actions.

“It is a God-given, inalienable right to engage in direct, private transactions with our food producers,” says Max Kane, director of a Chicago area local-food-buying club.  “Americans deserve to know that the FDA is using their tax dollars to target and prosecute independent, peaceful, farmers and their customers.”

 

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Arkansas Gloria

Sign me up for a gallon or two!!

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:22 AM EST
Kavika

I'm in agreement with the direct, private transactions.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:16 AM EST
ERich-356044

With everything else the FDA is dealing with, I personally don't understand the issue with milk.

You know... they could look into sooo many other things!

E

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:36 AM EST
tony1234

You mean like removing toxic substances that are killing millions every year, like Alcohol?

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:10 PM EST
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Arkansas Gloria

THIS is about the over-reach of interstate commerce, with the FDA, and Governmental attempts to control food, and our choices, and what the People choose to do. Have you read that the reason milk went to cardboard cartons originally, was that all the removing fat and all the processing made it look so unappetizing, it was 'hidden'? We still have opaque containers. milk now has non-fat dry milk particles mixed in to make it a bit more appealing.

I recently bought canned 'fat-free' evaporated milk by accident, and it was UGLY. Could barely make myself use it!

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST
Arkansas Gloria

Wow! It posted 1st try...!

    Reply#5 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST
    KYPIAKOC

    Though it may be hard to believe, there could actually be a reason for the regulations. The solution is simple... if you want to run a business, you need to know the applicable laws and regulations and follow them. If you don't, you shouldn't expect to be permitted to stay in business. Willfully disregarding federal regulations simply is bad business.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    KYPIAKOC: We usually agree on much, this time, this is a multi-layered issue, kinda like a good book that you can't set down. It is about the take-over and control of our food, it is about being regulated to death, it is about Government and Monsanto and GMO and our RIGHT to not be governed and FINED at every turn. Milk is only one issue within the guts of the monster. We either begin to fight off takeovers of our rights, or we may as well be China, with all things belonging to and taken over by the Government, where we can farm if we want, but the foods produced by our hands BELONGS TO THE GOVERNMENT to distribute as THEY SEE FIT.

    I have plans to purchase a milk cow this spring, and it kinda scares me...
    I am now lining up friends who know COWS, and friends that know MILKING, and setting up an available milk cow for our area, which mostly raises cattle.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:30 PM EST
    KYPIAKOC

    Certainly people should be allowed to buy the food they want, but producers don't get to distribute food however they want. If a person is to stay in business, they have to follow the rules, and that's that. If you don't do the proper research to determine whether or not you will be able to sustain your business within legal limits, you don't deserve to be in business. There's nothing stopping dairy farmers and their agents from selling raw milk, but they can't distribute it across state lines. Kind of like I can't just pick a bushel of apples in New Mexico and drive across the Arizona border to sell it at a farmer's market without the necessary permits. I may not like it, and I may feel my freedom is being infringed, but there is a reason for the regulation and I have a duty to respect it or be put out of business.

    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:45 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    Why can't raw milk be transported across state lines?

    • 1 vote
    #7.2 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM EST
    KYPIAKOC

    According to the FDA to prevent food borne illnesses. It's pretty well accepted that pasteurization prevents food borne illnesses, and so the government will naturally favor and encourage pasteurized dairy products. There may be something more sinister involved and big companies are throwing money around, but in this case I think the regulations make sense.

    • 2 votes
    #7.3 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:05 PM EST
    northern girl

    I have a feeling Big Pharma and Big Agra have a lot to do with what laws are passed regarding foods and meds. The last thing Big Pharma wants is for the FDA to come out and say which herbal and home remodies work. Big Agra wants to lessen the competition from the small farmers. Lots of regulations makes the "reward" not worth it to the little guy.

    Its not that I think people shouldnt be made aware of the health risks associated with what they do, but once they know the risks, they should be able to decide for themselves what choice they are going to make.

    If the government could find a way to make money on raw milk, we wouldnt be having this discussion. Tobacco kills far more people than raw milk ever has, but the government makes billions on cigarette sales. No way do they really want that cash cow to die.

    • 3 votes
    #7.4 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:16 PM EST
    Wolf Wolfman

    northern girl #7.4...The analogy of milk and tobacco is something I would never thought of. You are absolutely right! Applause.

    • 1 vote
    #7.5 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:28 PM EST
    Marshall James

    KYP

    regulations always "make sense." the problem is they always decrease competition and take away individual rights.....and big companies always tend to make lots and lots of money with "regulations."

    • 3 votes
    #7.6 - Fri Dec 2, 2011 7:41 AM EST
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    Arkansas Gloria

    According to the FDA. There are many who differ:
    http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/raw-milk-risks-and-benefits-explained.html
    Some Outbreaks Attributed to Bacterial Food-poisoning from PASTEURIZED MILK..16
    • 1945?1,492 cases for the year in the U.S.A.
    • 1945?1 outbreak, 300 cases in Phoenix, Arizona.
    • 1945?Several outbreaks, 468 cases of gastroenteritis, 9 deaths, in Great Bend, Kansas.
    • 1978?1 outbreak, 68 cases in Arizona.
    • 1982?over 17,000 cases of yersinia enterocolitica in Memphis, Tenn.
    • 1982?172 cases, with over 100 hospitalized from a three-Southern-state area.
    • 1983?1 outbreak, 49 cases of listeriosis in Massachusetts.
    • 1984?August, 1 outbreak S. typhimurium, approximately 200 cases, at one plant in Melrose
    Park, IL.
    • 1984?November, 1 outbreak S. typhimurium, at same plant in Melrose Park, IL.
    • 1985?March, 1 outbreak, 16,284 confirmed cases, at same plant in Melrose Park, IL.
    • 1985?197,000 cases of antimicrobial-resistant Salmonella infections from one dairy in
    California.1718
    • 1985?1,500+ cases, Salmonella culture confirmed, in Northern Illinois.
    • 1993?2 outbreaks statewide, 28 cases Salmonella infection.
    • 1994?3 outbreaks, 105 cases, E. Coli & Listeria in California.

    http://www.thedailygreen.com/living-green/blogs/organic-parenting/raw-milk-55061801
    http://rawmilktruth.com/Health-Benefits-of-Raw-Milk.html

    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST
    KYPIAKOC

    I'll admit the FDA probably has more than it's share of bias. But hey make the rules, and it's up to businesses to follow suit. I think civil disobedience can be good when practiced by individuals. By businesses, not so much. They have a responsibility to follow regulations, even if they don't agree. That's just my opinion though.

    • 3 votes
    #8.1 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:25 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    The government, through it's agencies and Departments of ..., have done far too much to take care of us. Each new regulation takes from our freedoms and choices. We should follow them because they just made a rule for our own good? Because it's nice the government thinks of our welfare?

    We did quite well before "Big government" decided to take care of us. Each new regulation just created a bigger govenrment, it grew to enforce the new regulation.

    What if the government regulated a ban on automobiles? Just because 50,000 died in car accidents.

    But they can shut down private small businesses because a few people got sick and all we say is "Gee i'm glad they did that" now no one will ever get sick again.

    • 7 votes
    #8.2 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:10 PM EST
    my-pockets-r-mt

    Some Outbreaks Attributed to Bacterial Food-poisoning from PASTEURIZED MILK

    Good grief, all to often it's something; fruits, vegetables, meat and all the regulations have done nothing, all these government departments do what again? make more rules and regulations.

    • 4 votes
    #8.3 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    my-pockets-r-mt, #8.3;

    I believe it's called, "Make work job security" and unions are happy to collect their dues. The more government workers the more dues, the more dues the more they can spread it around to democrats for election.

    We all have fallen for the sanitizing of America. But have you ever thought; if the hand washes only kill 99% of the GERMS that the 1% just grew stronger and are resistant to your efforts and proliferate? The result is we're no longer able to fight off deseases that are returning.

    • 5 votes
    #8.4 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:21 PM EST
    my-pockets-r-mt

    We all have fallen for the sanitizing of America. But have you ever thought; if the hand washes only kill 99% of the GERMS that the 1% just grew stronger and are resistant to your efforts and proliferate? The result is we're no longer able to fight off deseases that are returning.

    You are so right. Superbugs everywhere.

    Seems there is no moderation with regs, they just keep piling them on top of whatever is already there. They make claims a couple years down the road saying oops, incorrect. The FDA, for instance, approves a drug then a few years later, if even that long anymore, a lawyer is telling you to sue if you have taken this or that drug. All the while all this does is drive prices through the roof but no real improvements.

    • 4 votes
    #8.5 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:29 AM EST
    my-pockets-r-mt

    Here's a fine example.

    Burger King said it made the new fries thicker, reduced sodium and added a coating that makes them crisper and keeps them hotter longer.

    So how long down the road are we going to find out the "coating" they are putting on the fries is bad stuff.

    • 4 votes
    #8.6 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:51 AM EST
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    Arkansas Gloria

    Good point, Anthony, and right on the 'MONEY'!!

    What if the government regulated a ban on automobiles? Just because 50,000 died in car accidents.

    We need the regulations to end, and there is too much evidence coming in that in many areas, the Government intervention has made things worse. Milk allergies are at record highs- many 'lactose intolerant' people, who have been guided to use SOY, but according to much learning about the GMO, soy is in trouble now, too- all thanks to Government intervention and GREED... TAX AND OWN EVERYTHING- then all the people work FOR YOU...

    • 4 votes
    Reply#9 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:46 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    Is Uncle Sam really any kind, good 'family' member, who is looking out for our best welfare? No way.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#10 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:48 PM EST
    Charlie Courtois

    Hi Gloria,

    Every State has their own rules, and then the FEDS have some too. When I lived in California we could not bring produce into the state in our cars. I forget why, but it was scrupulously monitored,

    I can think of many reason why unpasteurized or bulk milk should not be transported.

    What's wrong with following the rules?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#11 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:10 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    Produce is an entirely different story, due to live 'fruit flies' and critters that could wipe out the Industry in California. I lived there too, for 30 years. This is different. This is mandating it is illegal to transport and sell RAW MILK, but not illegal to transport and sell PASTEURIZED milk. Why? Because 'they' say so.

    • 6 votes
    #11.1 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST
    my-pockets-r-mt

    The reasoning for ag inspection stations were to keep foreign plants and bugs out of sensitive areas and growers farms and orchards. We import the bugs from other countries instead, so unfortunately all the regs in the world do not make a difference unless they enforce the laws already in place.

    • 5 votes
    #11.2 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    Good point, my-pockets-r-mt. Hadn't thought of that! Thanks.

    • 4 votes
    #11.3 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM EST
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    wolfbilly

    Bigger the government/less freedom.

    Smaller government/more freedom.

    This is one small example of government interference with private enterprise. Our government is preventing the growth of our economy, and restricting employment by saddling the free enterprise system with bureaucracy. I believe that the states should have the right to control matters such as these, without federal government involvement. This principle has worked since the founding fathers created the constitution, and still will work. We need to return to the Constitutionally run government. We are turning from a Constitutional Republic to a Socialist System which will control everything from Cars to Pipelines to Milk. It is imperative that people wake up before it is too late. Please encourage your representatives in government to return our country to what has made it the greatest nation in history. Let free enterprise work and it will restore our success as the greatest nation on earth.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#12 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:01 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    Wolfbilly: Very well said!

    Bigger the government/less freedom.

    We are turning from a Constitutional Republic to a Socialist System which will control everything from Cars to Pipelines to Milk. It is imperative that people wake up before it is too late.

    The issue here is exactly that! We MUST wake up, we MUST yell loudly, write, call, e-mail all reps, get involved in FOLLOW THE MONEY, check voting records of elected officials, fight for and support CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE, and the hardest one: read the bills that are getting presented to Congress, to see what is in them. Sign up for some good freedom sites, that will e-mail them to you. SUPPORT freedom.

    Charlie: What's wrong with following the rules? I can relate all the loss of rights in America to the Bible, whereby husbands are admonished to be good, wise, kind, hardworking ethical persons, and the wife then being admonished to be subject to her husband. The idea here..., which is the message.., is husbands are spoke to first, to be those things, and THEN wives are encouraged to follow the ideas of her husband. Government is not being wise, good, hardworking, ethical, and it is time to enter the temple and throw out the perpetrators of lies, thefts, control- the money mongrels. If a rule, law had a need, like if you run a red light, you will be ticketed, I would follow that. It makes sense. This is senseless, whereby it differentiates between transporting government approved 'processed' milk and fresh, raw milk. O.K. for one, but not the other.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#13 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:16 PM EST
    Wolf Wolfman

    Gloria...I kept thinking about job security before I read Anthony's comment. The people in government have no incentive to be competitive or efficient. If they can get more people on food stamps, it's a good thing in their mind.

    If unpasturized milk is dangerous, let the buyer beware. Eliminate the government from the picture!

    • 3 votes
    Reply#14 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:43 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    I agree, Wolfman! We can choose! Like anything else, it may be appropriate for some and not for others, but eliminate the government, like you said!!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#15 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:23 PM EST
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    Anthony-1802249

    #16 & 17 are some flim-flam attempt by a person outside the Country to get money. Couldn't even use English or a language the computer could replicate and filled in with wing dings.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#18 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:34 AM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    Thanks! Have seen that advertisement elsewhere. They need to kick whomever out of Newsvine.

    Tony: Yes, Tony, we should remove every danger there is in this world, like Alcohol, like dirt, which has SO many organisms living in it, and centipedes, and we should get rid of every form of tobacco and all drugs and all pollutants in the air, and every toxic substance known to man- all by restrictions and regulations by Government. THAT ought to give those politicians something to work on for awhile,since they seem to have such difficulty WORKING and really ought to give them lots of things to spend money on, too. You know, everything needs to be researched first, then teams and commissions need to be appointed, so we know best how to handle issues like microorganisms in dirt that can cause disease and ringworm and who knows what! Yea, we sure should not be concerning ourselves with the idea that Government needs to back down, needs to let us live our life at all. You are right! Give me another period of time in our Nation of PROHIBITION!!

    • 2 votes
    #18.1 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    Now hick wheere will we hick get are wet hick wistled? hick

    8>}

    And ifen I get sick there's three meals and a cot

    • 2 votes
    #18.2 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:14 PM EST
    Arkansas Gloria

    Funny...burp!

    • 1 vote
    #18.3 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    Oh! How do ya ring a worm? Thet is a puzzler. An what end do ya hold?

    oh well napp time, I'll tryen finger it out later.

    • 2 votes
    #18.4 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:30 PM EST
    Wolf Wolfman

    Anthony #18.4...[chuckle]

    • 1 vote
    #18.5 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:49 PM EST
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    MoCowgirl-1193719

    I was raised on a dairy on a grade "C" dairy. The conditions were far from sanitary .... nor were the cows tested for anything, however the milk from the bulk tank was tested every time it was picked up. The milk was sold to make cheese. We bought milk from the store ... none of us would drink raw milk, nor did we use it to cook with. My grandparents, who also had a grade "C" dairy did drink raw milk, and used it to make butter and cook with.

    These days as far as I know all US dairies are regulated to be Grade A. The milk barns are supposed to be built to certain specs and thoroughly cleaned on a daily basis. However, cows will be cows and there is nothing "sanitary" about them --- inside or outside of the milk barn.

    Personally, I think that people should be well acquainted with their food source, products should be well labeled to identify their content/origin and people allowed to make their own informed decisions. However, the majority of people that I know do not want to be "bothered" to gather that much information or be that acquainted with their food source and rely on government regulations to ensure that their food is "safe" ---which is foolish in far too many cases.

    I have plans to purchase a milk cow this spring, and it kinda scares me...
    I am now lining up friends who know COWS, and friends that know MILKING, and setting up an available milk cow for our area, which mostly raises cattle.

    This is a step in the right direction, IMHO. Learn all you can .... and be prepared for "surprises" is the best advice that I can give.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#19 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 1:16 PM EST
    Wolf Wolfman

    "I was raised on a dairy on a grade "C" dairy."

    Thank you for your comment.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#20 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:31 PM EST
    Lisafrequency

    Which candidate running for President supports the natural food industry?

    Ron Paul 2012!!!!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#21 - Fri Dec 2, 2011 8:48 AM EST
    Wolf Wolfman

    Speaking of milk: I looked up why they put hormones in milk. They give the cows hormones, so they will produce more milk.

    It isn't nice to fool mother nature!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#22 - Fri Dec 2, 2011 9:07 AM EST
    JimEdee

    I've often wondered...what did this country do BEFORE the FDA?? I mean famers sold their goods for how many hundreds of years before the healthy hand of the FDA came around. Wonder why they can't regulate the drugs that have worse side effects than the symptoms they are trying to fix.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#23 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:58 PM EST
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